2019 Tier LIST of RenX Players

[DeadAccount]

If you wish to be on the tier list in the future there is only one requirement:

    JOIN THE RENEGADE X WEEKLY COMMUNITY EVENT!! (YOU DON'T NEED A MIC OR HAVE TO SPEAK)

    DEV INTERVIEWS! UPCOMING ANNOUNCEMENTS!! LOTS OF FUN! COOL PEOPLE!  FREE CAKE!!!

    When? Saturday!

    Where? The Ren X Discord (YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SPEAK, just a headset to listen!) copy/paste: https://discordapp.com/invite/renegadex

    Time? 11am CST

 

2019 Tier LIST of RenX Players (Of Active PUG Players)

The goal behind this system was to define game sense in a point/badge based system. The highest score possible is 20. Badge rank displays which areas the player  most excels at. So even though someone may have more points, it may not be the type of player your team needs at that moment. This system rewards a diverse set of skills. The more diversity you participate in, the more you are rewarded. The higher your skill ceiling the more you are rewarded.

The goal of this list of to create a range of skill for better pugs and more fun events. Remember you can always level up. Enjoy!

S Tier Ranking (4 points)

S tier Infantry Offense

Pocky, boxes, Pyonjpn, Sarah, I am an Owl, Minji, Blazing Yoshi, Tiger, Canucck, Confuser2188, Falco, Agent, LavaDr4gon

S tier Tanking Offense

boxes, Pyonjpn, Gliven, I am an Owl, Minji, Xeon Wraith, Danvik, Canucck, Trap, Confuser2188, Falco, Ryz, Sho-Kun, Blazing Yoshi,

S tier Infiltration

boxes, MintLemonade, I am an Owl, Minji, Quinc3y, bioz4d, Confuser2188, Crab, Pyonjpn, TK104, Gliven

S tier Defense

boxes, Pyonjpn, Gliven, I am an Owl, Danvik, Trap, Xeon Wraith

S tier Support

boxes, Gex_str, Gliven, I am an Owl, Minji, B-Force, Redarmy, Ryts, Smayhew

 

A Tier Ranking (3 points)

A tier Infantry Offense

Akbaro, Sho-Kun, Stromtrooper TR8TOR, Havoc89, Xeon Wraith, MintLemonade, Husker, Snips, Mykenubie, Buriza, Cain, Abel, Crab, Gliven

A tier Tanking Offense

Newbie, Havoc89, LavaDr4gon, Husker, Martok, MintLemonade, Quinc3y, At-Air, Cain, Abel, Agent, Majestic Sausage, Testman, Buriza, Madkyll, 

A tier Infiltration

Buriza, Canucck, Cain, Abel, Redarmy

A tier Defense

Akbaro, Newbie, Sho-Kun, Havoc89, LavaDr4gon, Husker, B-Force, Terrent, Buriza, MintLemonade, Falco, Minji, Cannucck, Yosh56, Mykenubie

A tier Support

Voltex, Havoc89, LavaDr4gon, Xeon Wraith, Danvik, Terrent, Buriza, Falco, MintLemonade Testman

 

B Tier Ranking (2 points)

B tier Infantry Offense

Hackerham, Voltex, Yosh56, Danvik, Dakuja, Enigmas, Guts, Lowstar, Martok, Madkyll, Quinc3y, Smayhew, Snytharn, Terrent, Whistle, Trap, Yumi, Hohndo, At-Air, bioz4d, Boedefield, Cephyrus, Kaunas, Majestic Sausage, Maverick, Mystic George, Swaffelen, TK104

B tier Tanking Offense

Fartface, Black Angel Dan, Kaliff, Wildrover84, Hackerham, Voltex, Stromtrooper TR8TOR, Sarah, Yosh56, fffreak9999, Carlos, Dakuja, Enigmas, Guts, Redarmy, Smayhew, Snips, Snytharn, Terrent, Mykenubie, Whistle, Hohndo, bioz4d, Boedefield, Cephyrus, Crab, Kaunas, Machete, Maverick, Mystic George, Swaffelen, TK104, Ryts

B tier Infiltration

Akbaro, Sho-Kun, Hackerham, Stromtrooper TR8TOR, Sarah, Yosh56, Blazing Yoshi, Guts, Martok, Madkyll, Snytharn, Whistle, At-Air, Boedefield, Cephyrus, Falco, Agent, Guy with Magic Airstrikes, Kaunas, Machete, Ryz, Majestic Sausage, Maverick, Mystic George, Vip, Swaffelen, Havoc89, LavaDr4gon

B tier Defense

Fartface, Black Angel Dan, Kaliff, Wildrover84, Hackerham, Hakase, Voltex, Stromtrooper TR8TOR, Sarah, fffreak9999, Blazing Yoshi, Carlos, Dakuja, Enigmas, Guts, Martok, Madkyll, Quinc3y, Ryts, Smayhew, Snips, Snytharn, Mykenubie, Whistle, Hohndo, At-Air, bioz4d, Boedefield, Cephyrus, Cain, Abel, Confuser2188, Crab, Agent, Guy with Magic Airstrikes, Kaunas, Machete, Majestic Sausage, Maverick, Mystic George, Akbaro, Testman, Vip, Swaffelen, TK104, Ryz

B tier Support

Fartface, Black Angel Dan, Wildrover84, Sho-Kun, Hackerham, Pyonjpn, Hakase, Sarah,Yosh56, fffreak9999, Blazing Yoshi, Tiger, Canucck, Enigmas, Guts, Martok, Madkyll, Quinc3y, Snytharn, Mykenubie, Whistle, Trap, Hohndo, At-Air, Billybez, bioz4d, Boedefield, Confuser2188, Crab, Agent, Guy with Magic Airstrikes, Kaunas, Majestic Sausage, Maverick, Mystic George, Akbaro, Vip, Swaffelen, TK104, Snips

 

C Tier Ranking (1 point)

C tier Infantry Offense

Fartface, Black Angel Dan, Kaliff, Newbie, Wildrover84, Hakase, Wallar, D3vastate, Gex_str, fffreak9999, B-Force, Carlos, Redarmy, Ryts, Zucadragon, Billybez, Guy with Magic Airstrikes, Machete, Ryz, Testman, Vip

C tier Tanking Offense

Hakase, Wallar, D3vastate, Gex_str, B-Force, Tiger, Lowstar, Yumi, Zucadragon, Billybez, Guy with Magic Airstrikes, Vip

C tier Infiltration

Fartface, Black Angel Dan, Kaliff, Newbie, Hakase, Voltex, Wallar, D3vastate, Gex_str, fffreak9999, Xeon Wraith, Danvik, Husker, B-Force, Tiger, Carlos, Dakuja, Enigmas, Lowstar, Redarmy, Ryts, Smayhew, Snips, Terrent,Trap, Yumi, Zucadragon, Hohndo, Billybez, Testman

C tier Defense

Wallar, D3vastate, Gex_str, Tiger, Lowstar, Yumi, Zucadragon, Billybez,

C tier Support

Kaliff, Newbie, Wallar, D3vastate, Stromtrooper TR8TOR, Husker, Carlos, Dakuja, Lowstar, Yumi, Zucadragon, Cephyrus, Cain, Abel, Machete, Ryz

 

 

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2019 Tier LIST of RenX Players

(points) SABC

Badge Order:  Infantry Offense, Tanking Offense, Infiltration, Defense, Support

 

I am an Owl (20) SSSSS

Boxes (20) SSSSS

Minji (19) SSSAS

Gliven (19) ASSSS

Pyonjpn (19) SSSSA

Canucck (16) SSAAB

MintLemonade (16) AASAA

Confuser2188 (16) SSSBB

Falco (16) SSBAA

Buriza (15) AAAAA

Xeon Wraith (15) ASCSA

LavaDr4gon (15) SABAA

Danvik (14) BSCSA

Cain (14) AAABC

Abel (14) AAABC

Havoc89 (14) AABAA

Blazing Yoshi (14) SSBBB

Sho-Kun (14) ASBAB

Sarah (14) SBBBS

Quinc3y (13) BASBB

Mykenubie (13) ABBSB

Crab (13) ABSBB

Trap (13) BSCSB

Agent (13) SABBB

bioz4d (12) BBSBB

TK104 (12) BBSBB

Majestic Sausage (12) BABBB

Redarmy (11) CBBBS

Terrent (11) BBCAA

Smayhew (11) BBCBS

Husker (11) AACAC

Martok (11) BABBB

At-Air (11) BABBB

Voltex (11) BACBA

Madkyll (11) BABBB

Yosh56 (11) BBBAB

Akbaro (10) ABCBB

Maverick (10) BBBBB

Kaunas (10) BBBBB

Whistle (10) BBBBB

Mystic George (10) BBBBB

Testman (10) CACBA

Hackerham (10) BBBBB

B-Force (10) CCCAS

Stromtrooper TR8TOR (10) ABBBC

Ryz (10) SCBBC

Guts (10) BBBBB

Swaffelen (10) BBBBB

Snytharn (10) BBBBB

Cephyrus (10) BBABC

Xtractor (10) BBBBB

Snips (10) ABCBB

Ryts (10) CBCBS

Newbie (9) CACAC

Tiger (9) SCCCB

Enigmas (9) BBCBB

Hohndo (9) BBCBB

Gex_str (8) CCCCS

Machete (8) CBBBC

Fartface (8) BCBCB

Guy with Magic Airstrikes (8) CCBBB

Black Angel Dan (8) CBCBB

Vip (8) CCBBB

Dakuja (8) BBCBC

fffreak9999 (8) CBCBB

Wildrover84 (8) CBCBB

Carlos (7) CBCBC

Kaliff (7) CBCBC

Hakase (7) CCCBB

Lowstar (6) BCCCC

Billybez (6) CCCCB

Yumi (6) BCCCC

Wallar (5) CCCCC

D3vastate (5) CCCCC

Zucadragon (5) CCCCC

 

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by MintLemonade

[yosh56]

2 minutes ago, MintLemonade said:

Yosh56

 

2 minutes ago, MintLemonade said:

B tier Defense

 

 

[LavaDr4gon]

I'm C tier infiltration?

And since when does Canucck infiltrate!?

 

[NodSaibot]

I am a god repper and decent tanker I'll have you know. I've spent too many pugs repping to be B support

[Akbaro]

Thanks!

[Madkill40]

I may just be an Complete B for the most part but my tanking as "B" as well? Naww. 

[Redarmy]

38 minutes ago, MintLemonade said:

S tier Defense

boxes, Pyonjpn, Gliven, I am an Owl, Danvik, Trap, Xeon Wraith

The only people who do base defense in that list is Owl and Gliven.
Xeon has done it once on new Gobi.

Also, Minji doesn't even have a single inflitration building kill?!

@Madkill40Accept your B fate.

[Madkill40]

3 minutes ago, Redarmy said:

The only people who do base defense in that list is Owl and Gliven.
Xeon has done it once on new Gobi.

Also, Minji doesn't even have a single inflitration building kill?!

@Madkill40Accept your B fate.

Still odd Yosh and SMayhew aren't S Tier Defense 

Also no. Should be an BABBB fate - Ryts is definitely S Tier Support. 

@MintLemonade Add an extra commendation for the Commander role if this is PUG-related 

[Guest Gliven]

Considering this is a Mint post, i would take his rankings with a grain silo of salt.

[Ryz]

Well props for the effort, but I  see some improvements for some people.

[Xeon Wraith]

There's quite a few questionable choice in the rankings - I have many on the tanking front at the very least. 

I do kinda like the idea of categorising players based on their skills but I don't think a straight linear ranking is sufficient. You'd really need full breakdown on what players excel and lack at, including things that don't directly relate to any particular field. For instance, I tend to value players who keep a active watch on the entire map and reinforce sparely populated areas when needed. This is particularly useful for scouting for rushes and is not really part of any defined role. Comm discipline is another example. 

Being more transparent on what you're being evaluated on also helps.

...Of course, being able to actually evaluate everything is a pretty massive undertaking (and also probably impossible without player footage).

[testman]

I am interested to know, how did you come to these results?
Is it subjective or is it based on some data (like leaderboard)?

Because I like it. In my opinion such classification gives better insight into player than leaderboard currently does.
It would be very nice if stat-tracking (and therefore leaderboard) was modified / extended to also display this kind of classification.
And it would also allow for more by-the-numbers team balancing, if it was ever needed.

[Cephyrus]

[HuskerDoggo]

i'd say im more of a B in everything besides a C on defense.

I used to be an S tier, support main pepeHands

Edited January 6, 2019 by HuskerDoggo

[Akbaro]

I dont think I have ever really infiltrated before.

[DeadAccount]

Hi!

Please note if you are pming me on Discord about why you are not on this list. It's for PUG players only. If you haven't played a PUG match in the last two months, you will not find your name here. Also, what are you waiting for! Join the PUG every Saturday 1pm CST on RenX Discord!

Keep in mind none of this is cement, everything is fluid, and was made to help support the pug in creating stronger, more balanced, events. These categories represent overlapping swatches. Like a bunch of little rivers flowing in and out of each other. They are also very broad and wide ranging.

Badge titles range in overlapping broad strokes and were graded as follows: What's the players focus and how dominant (impactful) are they overall? 

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I tried to cover the entire gamut of a topic, so, for example, if you look at S tier Support you have a range of players in that category for good reason. 

You have classic support healers, people who look after everything, make sure maintenance is good, etc, like:  B-Force, Redarmy, Ryts, Smayhew

And then you also have boxes in that category, why? Like i said, i view these categories as sweeping overlapping organisms that connect to each other. (offense connects to support which connects to defense) When does boxes ever lend support you ask? Boxes and Minji both contain a skill that allows them to control an entire infantry path solo. For example, when boxes is on Islands or Field he can control the entire infantry path tunnel network by himself. This allows his team to use less labor and less treasure in tunnels, focus more on field, and push toward advantage. That is a huge support metric imo. (Including offensive and defensive ability of course, again, overlapping)

Every category is viewed with this wide lens. For Defense, again I tried to encompass the entire gamut of defense. Everything from tank defenders who plug up vital arteries on a map, to infantry players who watch infantry path like a hawk (Akbaro), to classic miners protecting the entire base. For infiltration, we included Infiltrators who sneak into enemy territory as a hottie, to stealth black hands c4ing the sides of buildings or air-striking the enemy, to even being an infiltrator by proxy. Even if you are not a classic infiltrator, you could be an infiltrator by proxy. Someone who's always at the right place, at the right time, to sneak into rax on Lakeside. 

Once I looked at your library of work it came down to impact for those badge categories.

I didn't want to create little sub categories because that's unneeded filler. It should be easy to look at a player, see where there focus is, and get a sense of where they have the most impact. Some players focus on certain skills while others are a jack-of-all trades.

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Are there some grades that need tweaks? Sure. The reason why there are two metrics is because i wanted to display as many talents as i could for each player. The goal of the letter grade was less about skill and more about focus (impact secondary). For example, Xeon may be the best infiltrator ever, but that's never his focus, he's an offensive and defensive heavy tanker. Also keep in mind, C tier is still a good tier. That's why i kept it as a floor.

Received some pms about miners. When it came to grading miners themselves, to me, it comes down to this: When such and such defender is in a fight vs a Tech for the life of a tower, will they win? Because in the end, it's that climatic moment that defines a base defender to me. The level of impact that miner ultimately has in a game.

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Feel free to suggest any changes you may have! For the most part I'm pretty happy how the formula ended up! 

Updated Tier List with the following changes:

Minji: Adjusted for Infantry Defense 

Cannuck: Adjusted for Infantry Defense

LavaDr4gon: Adjusted for impact with sbh infiltration 

BlazingYoshi: Adjusted for impact with tanks

Sho-Kun: Adjusted for impact with tanks

Cephyrus: Adjusted for impact with sbh infiltration

Voltex: Adjusted for impact with tanks

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by MintLemonade

[Trap]

16 hours ago, MintLemonade said:

S tier Tanking Offense

boxes, Pyonjpn, Gliven, I am an Owl, Minji, Xeon Wraith, Danvik, Canucck, Trap, Confuser2188, Falco, Ryz, Sho-Kun, Blazing Yoshi, Madkill, Havoc89, LavaDr4gon

Madkill and Havoc are better tankers than most of the players you've mentioned for highest tier. LavaDr4gon is one of the most versatile RenX players and maybe you haven't seen him tanking... personally I consider him as S (tanker) and not A (based on your full player list)

[Guest]

this list seems... odd...

[Canucck]

17 hours ago, LavaDr4gon said:

I'm C tier infiltration?

And since when does Canucck infiltrate!?

 

Enemy base is a great place to killwhore

[Madkill40]

Ryz spends more time in an Mammoth Tank than any other player I have ever seen in this game - This doesn't necessarily mean he's S Tier material ?

Unless your definition of S-Tier Tanking is Point'n'click be healed by 20% of your team ? @MintLemonade 

Maneuverability in vehicles and duo-ing Field X with Ryts and myself in an Arty in a PUG and us holding the long path long enough for our team to regroup and keeping that shiz held, that's at least worth some credit - Admittedly without the Support of Ryts it would not have been possible, but I recall taking down a Mammoth tank a few times despite its entourage of healplayers in this beautiful PUG game. And let me just add, protecting your one technician support with an Arty requires that maneuverability because not all vehicles stay at a long distance. 

I find Ryz being S-Tier Tanker questionable. Just comes across as S-Tier Tanker = Time spent sat in a vehicle regardless of effectiveness. Don't get me wrong, Ryz is effective in a vehicle but he's easily beat when its just him and an entourage of repairs. Even if I'm an Arty with the deserving SS-Ryts

TL:DR  Based on the current positions of players in your list, the player ability to Tier doesn't make much sense

Yosh isn't even A-Tier Defense so you KNOW you dunn fucked up. Yes, Yosh does defender often but he's actually really decent as well - again, there's nothing to go on to understand your process here. 

@MintLemonade fix it so Gliven is wrong about his silo salts. [but in fairness this is a great thing for fun and to help with the PUGs but if anybody tries to take this in some elitist approach you will be ... well, I'd rather not say]

[Xtractor]

xtractor= ? dont be to rude :P

[Xeon Wraith]

3 hours ago, MintLemonade said:

I didn't want to create little sub categories because that's unneeded filler. It should be easy to look at a player, see where there focus is, and get a sense of where they have the most impact. Some players focus on certain skills while others are a jack-of-all trades.

I heavily disagree with this mentality. Its vital to be transparent in how you're evaluating players if you want to make a fair assessment - even more so if you're making a public facing tier system. You can take the disputes already on this thread as a example of why breakdowns are necessary. 

Back in school, do you remember the times you got a bad grade for something and never really got told why? Yeah. That sucked.

More generally, having these wide overlapping categories simply isn't useful when you're picking teams. If I'm missing out on offensive infantry players, picking BlazingYoshi and expecting him to counter snipe Boxes simply doesn't make a great deal of sense.

 

Talk is cheap though. I'll see if I can throw up an example list of skills I consider to be relevant for tanking over the next week or so.

[Madkill40]

39 minutes ago, Xeon Wraith said:

Talk is cheap though. I'll see if I can throw up an example list of skills I consider to be relevant for tanking over the next week or so.

I'll playercard tiers in stat bars, might help make the standings a little clearer ...

 

 to be honest, MintLemonade, buddy. Who evaluated you good sir? [ah! its too late ... no proof of process ... let the people vote what is fair tier'ing for @MintLemonade!  

 

[Guest]

ignoring the list now this reminded me of this thing we did a fair few years back in a (awkward game name here), where we pick top, most epic, random and amazing moments from it what happened over the year and either talk about it, make a poorly made video or a huge wall of text. i think mint started a concept that will kick in over some time

[Quinc3y]

Good effort Mint, you must have put a lot of time into this! However yeah, there's a lot of debatable marks out there

[Guest Gliven]

[roweboat]

if only PUGS were played later in the day... I could make them =[

[DeadAccount]

20 hours ago, Madkill40 said:

Ryz

Like a sharpened blade Ryz understands what he excels at and adapts his gameplay to his specific style. The reason why he's ranked where he is, is because more often than not, when he's achieving those meta goals in his skillset his team is benefiting greatly. 

19 hours ago, Xeon Wraith said:

transparent

To me, I prefer a more elegant, simplified ranking system than something convoluted with sub-categories and needless labels. I'm open to maybe slight sub-categories (like classic support vs proxy support) but beyond that it's just not my style. Looking forward to your post!

 

Updated Tier List with the following changes:

Included Xtractor on tier list

Sarah: Adjusted for impact with Support

Madkyll: Adjusted for impact with tanks

Yosh56: Adjusted for impact with defense

Gliven: Adjusted for impact with infiltration

Mykenubie: Adjusted for impact with anti-tank defense

Redarmy: Adjusted for impact with infiltration

Pyojpn: Adjusted for impact with infiltration

 

Edited January 7, 2019 by MintLemonade

[Redarmy]

I'd love to see @boxes' version of this.

[LavaDr4gon]

Yes, @boxes what is your opinion on these rankings?

[Havoc89]

Interesting idea, stat tracking is certainly a good way to do this. Unfortunately we don't really have much in the way of stat tracking. @Agent?

How I see myself: Boxes*2
Closer to reality: BSABA

Also I would recommend adding a ranking for commanding.

[NodSaibot]

The leaderboard contains some interesting stats (Headshot killrates, tank kills, building kills, defense kills and proxy/beacon disarms), but they often do not reflect actual gameplay. If the PUG server has Jupiter running on it's own bot with the ladder, we could look on there for those stats.

[Havoc89]

Well I guess you'd want to track success rates of each stat some how. Just adding to a tally isn't the best approach, nor is dividing by number of rounds an accurate representation.

For instance to track your anti-infantry score you'd want to calculate shots fired over shots landed when your last target was an infantry that had the bounding box in the last few seconds to ensure its an engagement and not a random shot. Then calculate that per weapon and per vehicle weapon and divide them into categories based on their effectiveness against infantry, and tally up a score to give you the total. Just as an example anyways.

[SMayhew]

I need to go on the forums more often to see these incredible posts by Mint. Great effort, I'll give you that.

The fact you consider me B tier infantry offense is astounding, I shouldn't even be C tier.

[TK0104]

On 1/6/2019 at 2:35 AM, MintLemonade said:

TK104

 

On 1/6/2019 at 2:35 AM, MintLemonade said:

S tier Defense

Okay I'll take it even though all my latest sneakings failed

[DeadAccount]

10 hours ago, TK0104 said:

failed

 

Failure is the rehearsal to success my friend.

 

Updated Tier List with the following changes:

Snips: Adjusted for impact with support

Ryts: Adjusted for impact with tanking offense

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by MintLemonade

[Akbaro]

Im glad I am on a defender list cos I think there are alot of times where if I wasnt there the building wouldnt have survived.

[Syntharn]

woaw, my huge ego demands that it be immensely stroked alot more than this.       
on the other hand my PVP philosophy says that i shouldnt give a crap, xept i do, alot.
curse my weakness for its weakness, pls change me to be on top of everything.

also snytarn means "person who blows his nose" 

[Madkill40]

22 hours ago, MintLemonade said:

To me, I prefer a more elegant, simplified ranking system than something convoluted with sub-categories and needless labels.

Some explanation regarding how a player (generally) is graded per tier is better than the assumption of "this is just what I feel is accurate"

 

Like... If you can navigate an stank through the front-line of GDI vehicles and make it into their base, without being caught, is that only B-Tier Infiltration? or is that more "good at tanking" ? Does infiltration demand a building kill? or does it just have to affect the enemy team in some way? Either faction I've infiltrated the enemy base but rarely ever scored a building kill; S-Tier Infiltration seems like it'd require an building kill - But what does A-Tier Infiltration require? Its surprisingly and amusingly easy to sneak into the Nod base with an GDI inf. 

This is the issue, there's no simple guide to know how your tier system works which makes it come across as bias because you're the only one who knows where and why people sit in the listings  [outside of whoever you speak to in discord]

 

3rd/4th Edit: I'd love to see the justification behind Gliven as S-Tier Defense, but Fffreak is B-Tier and Yosh is A-Tier Defense. <This makes no sense whatsoever. Two people need to be bumped up or they all should be A-Tier. Unless of course there's some key-specific criteria which Gliven meets that neither fffreak or Yosh met. Or its coz Gliven plays other games with you frequently and so he is also based on those player-skills as well but surely this list isn't that bias coz there is at least S-Tier criteria people have to meet etc. [which should be made public in the OP and not kept hidden]

Edited January 8, 2019 by Madkill40

[boxes]

Personally the way I see it, the only traits worth the most value in determining how much a player can contribute to a team is their skill in both infantry combat and vehicle combat. If somebody has mastered at least one of the two, chances are likely that they have strong game sense and situational awareness, both of which factor much into ones ability to infiltrate a base. And somebody mentioned before that strong infiltrators are often the best base defenders, as they know all possible entry points and hiding spots, and know the most optimal way to utilize available mines on certain maps. 

Unfortunately, support has a very small skill cap. You basically hold down mouse 1, mash WASD randomly, and pray you don’t get sniped. But of course, one can still improve their game sense by playing support, such as taking note of common sniper spots, noticing tracer rounds, and staying out of splash range. But these should be fundamental to players that have mastered combat. The best supports are the ones who know how to stay alive and don’t get bored doing their job.

[DeadAccount]

Because of some very exciting personal news recently, I'll be away for the week. I hope to further evolve this idea in the future. I love seeing such energy in the renX community.

One thing i can safely say is that after the hundreds of pms on discord (from both pug and public players) to nearing over 1000+ views in this thread (wow!) I think this topic creates a lot of exciting energy and possibility that the Devs should tap into.

The thirst is there, the possibilities are limitless.

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by MintLemonade

[DeadAccount]

One last note.

If you wish to be on the tier list in the future there is only one requirement:

    JOIN THE RENEGADE X WEEKLY COMMUNITY EVENT!! (YOU DON'T NEED A MIC OR HAVE TO SPEAK)

    DEV INTERVIEWS! UPCOMING ANNOUNCEMENTS!! LOTS OF FUN! COOL PEOPLE!  FREE CAKE!!!

    When? Saturday!

    Where? The Ren X Discord (YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SPEAK, just a headset to listen!) copy/paste: https://discordapp.com/invite/renegadex

    Time? 11am CST

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If you have any disagreements about the standings, feel free to share them here because i'll totally forgot if you message me on Discord. 

We'll take a look when i get back. Stay Awesome! 

Edited January 8, 2019 by MintLemonade

[Redarmy]

@MintLemonade

 

Mint, it's at 1300 CST. Why you telling them to show up a full two hours early??

[WildRover84]

C Tier Infantry offense?

I wouldn't even rate myself higher than H-Tier, especially in PUGs!

On a serious sidenote: Such an inofficial list based on mostly subjective views might discourage new people to join PUGs. 

Us regulars might like being rated - newbies surely won't that much.

[Guest once upon the time]

First a compliment that you advertise in the forum for Ren X and Pug.

Now comes a objection.

The headline is already very much misleading, as it is a "ranking of Pug players" and not Ren X in general.
Even the official Leaderboard does not show the current ranking, because it is bound to Steam and not everyone gets enticed with Steam.

Now a question about your ranking:
Is the ranking data based?
According to which comprehensible criteria was the ranking created (importance or influence on the game)?
Which role is weighted or is it your subjective assessment?

If the ranking is not data based, I think it would have to be defined as a personal ranking, because in such a review always and at each extremely extreme personal influences . As an example: the relationship with the respective player.

A purely rhetorical question:
There are more players to win for Pug, but the maximum number of players is 50, how should then play more?

 

5 hours ago, WildRover84 said:

 

On a serious sidenote: Such an inofficial list based on mostly subjective views might discourage new people to join PUGs. 

Us regulars might like being rated - newbies surely won't that much.

Thats right !

I know that many of Pug's players will not like my comments, but we live in a world with a lot of different views.

Sorry i advance for my bad english (If someone don't like i can write in German   ).

[Trap]

since my first comment on this topic was ignored completely, I've decided to make my own list of RenX player - but for tanking skill only!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zpl6nsElh0n8eve4iZzDj7PrFsa7qTUkElQV2p0_VAw/edit?usp=sharing

feel free to comment and criticise. feel free to make your own list. some of my choices are debatable but as I noted on the sheet - it's subjective (opinion based). I doubt that you find someone else (except Xeon) who can judge tanker skill based on thousands of hours on C&C Renegade and RenX.

For Xeon I considered to create his own Tier (T), but I discarded that idea quickly.

There is not the one and only top tanker.

for example - Xeon is undoubtly the best Arty tanker RenX has. But, maybe I'm better with the med or the mammoth or whatever. who knows. Everyone has certain vehicles he likes and can handle well. But there is noone who can handle anything on an excessive skill level. not even boxes. (note: boxes is a S tanker due to his Apache / buggy / humvee / APC skills)

 

 

[Ion Cannon detected]

[Calvin]

I completely agree with boxes most people that are good at infantry are very aware and can probably own with a tank 

Edited January 14, 2019 by pyonjpn

[DeadAccount]

1 hour ago, Trap said:

since my first comment on this topic was ignored completely, I've decided to make my own list of RenX player - but for tanking skill only!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zpl6nsElh0n8eve4iZzDj7PrFsa7qTUkElQV2p0_VAw/edit?usp=sharing

feel free to comment and criticise. feel free to make your own list. some of my choices are debatable but as I noted on the sheet - it's subjective (opinion based). I doubt that you find someone else (except Xeon) who can judge tanker skill based on thousands of hours on C&C Renegade and RenX.

For Xeon I considered to create his own Tier (T), but I discarded that idea quickly.

There is not the one and only top tanker.

for example - Xeon is undoubtly the best Arty tanker RenX has. But, maybe I'm better with the med or the mammoth or whatever. who knows. Everyone has certain vehicles he likes and can handle well. But there is noone who can handle anything on an excessive skill level. not even boxes. (note: boxes is a S tanker due to his Apache / buggy / humvee / APC skills)

 

 

[Ion Cannon detected]

Fun list!

To me it's as simple as:

The higher your skill level at shooters; the more likely those skills translate effectively in tanking combat. Pretty much the best shooters are the best tankers. Which is why the tier list echo's a lot in those two categories. Look no further than Apache combat on Walls as an example of this. The other group of tankers consists of full-time tankers who never play infantry and just tank. (xeon, danvik, etc)

Also, I'm guessing the reason Crab can't be graded on your list is because crabs can't obtain a drivers license.

Edited January 14, 2019 by MintLemonade

[Trap]

As a tanker I can say that it's not as simple as you say. I'm aware that a bunch of the "skilled" infantry players think so, but tanking is not point n shoot.

There are no hitscan tanks (I'm talking about tanks, not support vehicles on heroic). Tanking is more about positioning, map knowledge (as in - area knowledge - where are the annoying collisions that fuck up the projectile angle [esp. for arties]), manoeuvrability, etc.

About Crab... well. I've seen him tanking. He kinda knows what he's doing.... but always driving his arty the wrong way which makes him vulnerable to enemies and often blocks his mates (especially blocking projectile path for other arties) decided to not judge his skills.

 

edit: anyone who's good at gaming can PROBABLY be good at tanking. probably. yes. maybe. if. doesn't make anyone a good tanker by natural law. anyone can drive over free infantry 

Edited January 15, 2019 by Trap

[MajesticSausage]

I will not rest until my ranking is ASSSS