Pick Up Games (PUGs)

[Quinc3y]

Yeah, a lot of games and balanced teams

Snow

The initial infantry chaos resulted in WF getting damaged to ~50 health. After a few minutes of arties vs. meds, somehow (sneaky stuff I'm guessing) both airstrip and WF blew up within 1 minute.

GDI then took the initiative, controlling the wall with patches, mobiuses and gunners. A gunner rush managed to damage the health of HoN at one point. But Nod patiently defended and airdropped a few APCs, that, combined with 2 nukes on barracks, finished the game.

Whiteout

Not much to see here, Nod winning the first harvester and dominating. Arties killed ref and PP first, then apaches finished WF and barracks. GDI could do nothing.

Mesa

See above, except there were no apaches. Both first harvesters were destroyed, but that didn't stop Nod. Arties killed barracks, then a tech destroyed PP. The rest of the buildings fell one after another.

That weird humvee rush on Nod ref in the very beginning was interesting though.

XMountain

Despite GDI taking control of the field with meds, a few stanks managed to sneak through and kill GDI ref. Soon after some sneaky magic and the airstrip was dead.

Then GDI rushed with 2 APCs + ion and destroyed ref, but while that was happening Nod destroyed all 3 other buildings within a minute by 2 nukes and a tech/SBH infiltration.

Field

Weird game.

Rocket rush on barracks in the very early game didn't do any damage. But just after that, a triple tech infiltration... hell yeah. At one point me, Newbie and Luhrian spammed "Defend c4 on MCT at AGT/WF/Barracks" independently. And that was without any coordination. GDI saved AGT, but WF and bar were destroyed.

That should normally be game over - especially how the first stank rush destroyed all vehicles that GDI had left - but apparently rocket soldiers and 1-2 camping hotwires are enough to stop all kinds of rushes, even 8/8 flame rushes... Fortunately GDI surrendered to save time - they had no chance to win anyway because of the points difference. Fair play to them.

Walls

Early Nod APC rush got WF down to 30 health. They tried to finish it with an apache rush, but failed and meanwhile a hotwire destroyed PP. Another Nod attempt to finish WF off, an SBH outside c4 rush, failed as well (but got very close). GDI responded with a 5-man gunner rush from plateau (lol), that targetted ref and provided decoy for a hotwire who destroyed HoN. Nod kept trying to finish WF, this time with stanks... was expected and failed. GDI finished Nod off with a big orca rush.

On a side note, GDI gave away at least 5 vehicles to SBH in this game.

The score is 4-2 for my team, ~11v11. Nod won all games except for Walls, but that's because we sticked to the rule of losers picking next map. As GDI lost first, they picked a Nod map next and so on - as a result, most maps played were Nod maps. That rule helped to keep the PUG balanced, too.

[Xtractor]

Was far from my best gameplay ..I didn't play much the last months.

Oh ..and Didn't get all the quinc3y stuff ..coz I crashed once and forgot to reopen fraps

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[boxes]

We can pick what team the losing team would also like to play as, if you guys are fine with playing the same faction consecutive times.

I also might be able to make it next week, if nothing random comes up

[Fffreak9999]

I am fine with the teams choosing maps, but having teams pick faction as well is more awkward and could lead to more heavily biased games, even if the win/loss would probably be 50/50

[boxes]

We should try it for one week, and if it doesn't go well, we'll just go back to map only. Captains post in the chatbox what faction they want to be during the end-game cameras. The problem I see with map only is that only a select number of maps will be chosen depending on who wins the first map, ex. if GDI loses the first game next pug, we'll likely see a similar map pool to what quincy posted

[Ryz]

I still don't believe there are 'GDI or Nod minded' maps. It's all about how the team functions, not about the map.

Couldn't make it btw: was playing a PUB game till the first 20 min of the PUG, cause I had to leave after it and didn't want to play a pug for a short time. Next week same stuff, have to attend appointments, but good to read this is still going strong!

[Quinc3y]

Yes there are, Ryz

And nice video xtractor haha! Shame u didn't include that moment in GDI PP on Mesa

[Xtractor]

Yes there are, Ryz

And nice video xtractor haha! Shame u didn't include that moment in GDI PP on Mesa

HAHA ! my fraps was off and I didn't know ,was coming back from my game crash

I heard my mines killed someone ..whent in PP to check.. first door was ok ..didnt see anyrhing on the MCT (mb my brightness was too dark ) ..second door my mines was gone ..I started remined and then ..lol..saw you in the corner making you small hiding just at my right.. lol .. then everything blow and I dont remember if you killed me just before ..

Something similar happend at wall PP when cheking PP ..didnt go inside just open doors saw mines at the two doors ..so I was telling everything ok to my team ..then PP blow ..WHAT!!..I guest the mines at one door wasnt ours my bad ..Again ..Bad day !

[Newbie]

Hello everyone,

I had a blast yesterday playing PUG with you lot, here is my review.

Positive:

At the beginning of the games it appeared as if the teams were balanced.

The idea that the losing team picks the next map is really good. Although they're usually going to pick team based maps, for example if you're Nod next, you're more likely to pick Whiteout than Under. Therefore the losing team should pick both map and side.

I was a bit nervous playing my first game of PUG, the starting games I was defending the base. When I wasn't I was trying something weird with other team mates which I normally wouldn't do in public games.

The games were fast paced which I liked, a building was getting destroyed at least every 10 minutes. Sometimes multiple at once (field) where I got excited seeing Quincy run into WF so I decided to take Bar.

Negative:

I felt we could have done a lot better if our commander set roles for us each game, for example someone protecting the base with Hotties and Möbius (searching for stealth). Some people to sneak and others in vehicles. But we still did a good job and we had a lot of fun thanks to Quincy (excellent commander). The gunner rush was definitely weird but it worked.

Towards the end the majority of decent players from the other team had either lost connection or quit. When I joined the other team last minute I could only hear one or two people talking, and when the commander was giving orders for a flame rush no one was listening and doing their own thing as if it were a public game.

Unfortunately I don't feel like I did the best I could have done, there were a lot of mistakes which could have easily taken out a few buildings over the games. Probably my nerves playing up. Although I was defending the base heavily in Mesa. I don't think anyone was in our base on X Mountain when they stank rushed us.

I understand the commander role but did not see any objectives in my tab change.

Solutions:

When joining team speak, players without a mic should probably add "(no mic)" into their username to easily distinguish who hasn't got a mic. Players with microphones are a lot more helpful and create a more joyful atmosphere.

It would be good to keep an equal amount of players with mics on each team.

Notes:

If any spelling mistakes contact Apple about iPhones auto correct.

If we had 40 players online most with mics, that would be awesome.

Overall:

Disputes all the negatives (don't take them personally), I still had a great time and would like to thank Quincy and my team members for a great time. You guys were amazing. I would also like to thank the hosts for setting up the games, and everyone else who participated.

[boxes]

I understand the commander role but did not see any objectives in my tab change.

If we had 40 players online most with mics, that would be awesome.

You're not supposed to, commander orders are only spoken through TS

No that would be terror

[Quinc3y]

Hello Newbie! Was good to have you with us.

Thanks for the compliments. About specific roles - sometimes I do that, but sometimes I think it's trying too hard. Depends on the map and amount of players. And commander role isn't the same as commander in the commander mod - I was the commander in our team, but we had no commander that would use the mod (for the latter you vote in game in the ctrl+V menu). That's why you saw nothing in the objective tab. I don't really like using it (influences my gameplay) and no one volunteered so we did not vote.

And as Jeff said, a lot of mics cause a lot of chaos. This time it was 12v12 at most, so there was order on TS, but it's not the case in every PUG... we've been through the discussion on how to use teamspeak properly at PUGs in this thread already.

[testman]

I probably won't be able to join you guys for next two or three PUGs. Hope you guys have fun and record matches, so that I see what I missed.

[Fffreak9999]

The PUG is running tonight,

As per usual details available on TS before the pug begins

[MrSeriousOak]

My alarm is set so whether or not I show up is up to my phone.

[RoundShades]

I'll be on barring if my nephew shows up to spend time.

[Profane Pagan]

Guys I am so sorry, I lost the connection to the host, and I even lost the connection with the constructiveTyranny teamspeak server. I was unable to reconnect. I wanted to warn you that I was out, and probably my character was still in the game. I don't know what happened, it was not my internet connection.

*Edit: After 15 minutes of trying I was able to establish connection with you on teamspeak.

[hm shark]

when is the PUG today? I dont see it in the server list.

Edit, it turns out u guys are on teamspeak and the server is hidden from the server list.

The 2 games i played in the PUG today were fun, thanks to the guys that organize this every week

Edited July 9, 2016 by Guest

[RoundShades]

Was great games today. Always remember to check TS3, as the server will likely be hidden.

ProTip for the Veterans, when your team does a tank rush and the vehicle limit's reached, instead, get an anti-infantry class and get out of a tank to stand at a door and fire from the outside at the MCT/Repairmen. That'll bring a building down even if it's being repaired.

[boxes]

Anybody recorded?

[Xtractor]

From Voltex YT channel

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[Guest Gliven]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBh-Xn ... Jng3qFhiew

I also recorded

Voltex and i agreed that we should play on separate teams so we can record from both sides perspectives in the future.

[Quinc3y]

Mesa

A lol 4 minutes game. GDI made the mistake of not watching the path to their ref and lost it to 3 engis. Then they stopped repairing and let their base die to arties/flame tanks.

I think that was a kinda early surrender. If GDI could hold on to the rest of the buildings for a few minutes, one lucky hotwire might have turned the game around.

Volcano

As usually, Nod won the harvester battle and took initiative in the beginning. WF and PP fell to vehicle mass. But, while Nod was busy destroying GDI base, 2 hotwires destroyed both production buildings.

Bar + Ref > PP + Ref, but at that moment Nod was 1,5k points ahead (which means they could just defend) and had a single camping flame tank. GDI, forced to attack, APC+ion rushed and failed. Nod's response, APC+flame tank+nuke on back of barracks succeeded and soon after GDI surrendered.

Canyon

GDI won the harvester battle, which helped them to defend from the first arty spam, but that was the only original/extraordinary thing about this game.

30 minutes of vehicle slugfest, with GDI being ahead on points and finally ioning the end of strip, game over.

Complex

Close game. GDI with field advantage most of the time, but a stank rush first badly damaged and after that next one destroyed WF. Still, GDI was comfortably ahead on points (meds damaged HoN at one point), had a few meds left and all they needed is to camp. They failed though, few stanks + SBH shooting repairs destroyed ref and with a few minutes to go, Nod was a few hundred points ahead. GDI gunner rushed in the final seconds and only 5 gunners managed to damage the health of airstrip, but not enough to close down the point gap. Literally 2-3 more gunners and GDI would have won. GG.

3-1, ~15v15. GG.

[TK0104]

Volcano

As usually, Nod won the harvester battle and took initiative in the beginning. WF and PP fell to vehicle mass. But, while Nod was busy destroying GDI base, 2 hotwires destroyed both production buildings.

Bar + Ref > PP + Ref, but at that moment Nod was 1,5k points ahead (which means they could just defend) and had a single camping flame tank. GDI, forced to attack, APC+ion rushed and failed. Nod's response, APC+flame tank+nuke on back of barracks succeeded and soon after GDI surrendered.

3 Hotties . 2 for Air and 1 (me) for HoN

[RoundShades]

New job, work today, have fun without me tho.

[TK0104]

Is anyone in to do a test session 1 hour before PUG? I want to test City Flying so I can update the map and so it can be added to a patch.

[Ryz]

Worst PUG in a while, meanly cause our team was stearless almost all the games...

Whiteout was pretty good and intense, Volcano got better after 20 minutes, rest was bad .. In the end when I left cause I said there was almost no communication I got the reaction that it was just how I felt. Than Machette said: "I feel the same. I asked many question, but nobody ever replied. I feel like we are not communicating..."

We asked for a reply on that several times, but still not reaction. Only a few ppl used TS. Madkill, Tony, Yagi and I (afaik) 'dominated' 90 percent of the teamchat and still didn't say too much (ok I did..). Most other players almost (never) talked and some very, very seldom.

Examples:

First games: "Who is defending? zero reply numerous times.."

Third game (Lakeside): "We need dedicated defenders, me and Machette were on that after asking for a reply at least 5 times."

Third game (Lakeside): "We are getting overrun, multiple people entering bar. Need help... Some people came, but nobody replied / affirmatived."

Fourth game (Eyes): after we mined. "Chinooks inc!" As soon as they left base. Zero response, some ppl on the defense. Same with HON.

I hate leaving during a PUG cause I don't want to screw the team. But if I get more comments about the fact that I am asking for a plan / direction ("discuss this afterwards" and stuff) in one game than that I ever had in all games when I asked stuff like "Who is defending / mining / repairing / on that beacon / checking were mines were lost" than I feel no use of playing a pug above a PUB.

Machette even thought his Mic didnt work, cause he had like 2 replies to maybe 50 questions all game... It's not even about winning / losing, but about the fact that you have the feeling of talking to a wall... I mean what's hard to answer when you ask a very simple question like: "Are you doing A or B?" Only to hear your own echo....

[boxes]

That was pretty boring even for us, almost fell asleep on whiteout

Hoped to see lots of action on lakeside but blew up the barracks at the start with a flametrooper rush that we didn't even plan on doing in the first place

[RoundShades]

Ehh, this sounded like a Crummy week. I came in last game after getting fresh off from work, so I had fun while losing. Just had a 5 man SBH team gun down snipers in salvos, and then tried rushing the AGT (2 made it to agt, humvee kept defending even though they didn't need to, but if it had left we coulda downed the AGT).

We have bad weeks. We have a patch coming hopefully eventually, so just try to laxly enjoy until then.

[Mystic~]

Our team didn't have a single leader/commander after the teams were picked, whilst the enemy team appeared to have at least three choices. The smaller organised team stomped over the larger unorganised team. I left after Lakeside.

[Jarzey]

(humvee kept defending even though they didn't need to, but if it had left we coulda downed the AGT).

It is best to always have at least one member defending/camping, no matter the circumstances.

[TK0104]

Round 1: Volcano

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[Quinc3y]

Yeah, I guess enough has been said about this week's PUG, not gonna bother with the recap

I do agree that, in the beginning, putting all 3 commanders on one team wasn't the best idea. I wasn't the one picking teams, but also I admit I wasn't willing to change, because I simply didn't feel like being the commander.

The other team made so many mistakes, mainly connected with bad defending. And Lakeside was so lame... officer rush, really? Since when infantry rushes work on this map? 1 in 100 maybe. And officers cost credits, which means you won't be able to get orcas early. And first harvester here is imo as crucial as first harvester on Whiteout or Volcano and you let me kill yours solo with a flamethrower. And I didn't even mention leaving barracks unprotected here

[Ryz]

And I didn't even mention leaving barracks unprotected here

Machette and I were insisting on people defending. We even decided to leave and do a PUB next time when teams are disorganized, but were willing to give it 2 more tries with Lakeside and Eyes.

After a LOT of questions about defence Madkill reacted as only person with something like: "Yeah you do it.." while his voice sounded like stop asking this BS. People clearly didn't give a fuck. Than when we 2 were overrun we lost the barracks, meanly cause nobody responded to the incoming 'rush' (which was announced like 5 other rushes and in all cases mainly ignored by the team).

So the barracks wasn't unprotected, but in almost all the games only a few ppl defended / mined and when there was an issues (mines missing, building attacked) there just came almost no reply from anyone...

[yosh56]

Sounds like I made great decisions.

[boxes]

It wasn't terrible stomp all around, other team got the building kills they needed. It's just nobody was a dedicated defender and way too much criticizing and casual talk back and forth after watching gliven's pov

[Ryz]

It wasn't terrible stomp all around, other team got the building kills they needed. It's just nobody was a dedicated defender and way too much criticizing and casual talk back and forth after watching gliven's pov

Cause we asked for someone to take charge of the team from round one. During the first round 2 ppl said they would be leading the team and then they just got silent... Even a question to teamleader (who is mining, what is the plan?) was either not answered or with a vague thing like get vehicles and uhm, drive around?

[MrSeriousOak]

Honestly this PUG felt closer to some public match with everyone on TS

[TK0104]

Round 2: Whiteout

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[TheWankBank]

I have an suggestion, how about we start using discord?

The reason I suggest this is because Teamspeak is a really old software and the overlay doesn't look great at all, discord also has better mic detection, voice transmission, etc.

It's really good, I suggest we should communicate though discord instead of Teamspeak.

[Agent]

Discord has been suggested before, but we're unlikely to change the software and location that everybody's already familiar with without a substantive reason to do so. If we're going to ask dozens of people to switch software, there should be a pretty concrete and incontrovertible reason for it.

There are also reasons to not use Discord. Namely, I would be most concerned about our ability to ban any problematic users -- nobody can view a user's IP on Discord, nor can you manually add IP-based bans. If a user gets banned on TeamSpeak and attempts to evade it, we can expand the ban to the subnet their address is assigned from. We simply can't do this on Discord.

With that said, I actually do tend to prefer Discord over TeamSpeak for non-organizations. It has a cleaner and simpler interface, doesn't require the end user to host a server, and you don't have to always be connected in order to receive messages. In smaller groups where the server isn't publicly made available/advertised, it's much less likely for problematic users to arise. Even though bans are somewhat rarely utilized on TeamSpeak (and subnet bans even more rare), it's genuinely useful to have available as a deterrent or worst-case scenario. If Discord ever implements a sufficient solution for that issue, then it'd be usable and at least up for discussion.

[TK0104]

Round 3: LakeSide

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[TK0104]

Renegade X PUG July 16th 2016

Round 1: Volcano

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Round 2: Whiteout

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Round 3: LakeSide

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Round 4: Eyes

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[Xtractor]

Didnt watch them all yet but Nice Videos Thommy (watched 2)

Wasnt That Bad Pug ,as I can see

btw Thommy how you had add these logo and tko104 play; stuff on your videos ?

Nj!

[boxes]

Possibly the last pug of 5.16, let's make it a good one

[TK0104]

Possibly the last pug of 5.16, let's make it a good one

Which means 5.2 Will be released next week? And I'm not happy with that cause I'm on vacation that week. Pleeeeeeaaaase release it tomorrow

I will record most of the stuff from the PUG tonight but all the matches will be uploaded the same day (Sunday) because I can't upload anything when I'm on vacation

[yosh56]

I wouldn't listen to Jeff

[boxes]

Fine, at least lets make it better than last week

[Ryz]

Might be there, might not, depending on how long it takes at the concert and festival we are visiting...

[Schmitzenbergh]

Ill try to be there, depends on some stuff. Maybe Ill join a bit later.

[TheWankBank]

Discord has been suggested before, but we're unlikely to change the software and location that everybody's already familiar with without a substantive reason to do so. If we're going to ask dozens of people to switch software, there should be a pretty concrete and incontrovertible reason for it.

There are also reasons to not use Discord. Namely, I would be most concerned about our ability to ban any problematic users -- nobody can view a user's IP on Discord, nor can you manually add IP-based bans. If a user gets banned on TeamSpeak and attempts to evade it, we can expand the ban to the subnet their address is assigned from. We simply can't do this on Discord.

With that said, I actually do tend to prefer Discord over TeamSpeak for non-organizations. It has a cleaner and simpler interface, doesn't require the end user to host a server, and you don't have to always be connected in order to receive messages. In smaller groups where the server isn't publicly made available/advertised, it's much less likely for problematic users to arise. Even though bans are somewhat rarely utilized on TeamSpeak (and subnet bans even more rare), it's genuinely useful to have available as a deterrent or worst-case scenario. If Discord ever implements a sufficient solution for that issue, then it'd be usable and at least up for discussion.

Reasonable enough, I understand the situation.