[Map] CNC-City Flying (Unofficial)

[Ryz]

And what about the assets Ruud bought?

He said it was a real impossible thing to do with those assets

Sucks... Glad you've been trying. I can only comment from the sideline Thommy. Good you kept working on this!

[RoundShades]

I can't believe you had the time to do City, little here and little there, up until now. Seemed like two years ago I had also worked on it, and had touched several projects since, but I am notorious for not finishing large projects. I get a lot of experience and no use whatsoever out of it.

Anyway, can make a minimap, including tunnels inside the buildings and maybe some transparent portrayal under the overpass. Especially under the premise, and I rather assume it's bugged so if it isn't then it's a pleasant surprise, that we might actually be able to play this on a regular basis sooner rather than later. When we actually can play it and it has no bugs and such, I can see it being the next map to be as popular as Walls.

Really excited for the patch, that puts this into the game, as well as other new game mechanics. That will be the next gold standard.

I also have design concerns, I say concerns when some actually look like interesting "improvements" to me. One, you can attack a nod structure (PP?) from GDI-side overpass, but that might actually be alright. Two, Stealth Tanks had 3 entrances to GDI base in Classic Ren and I am not sure that is the case here. Three, the land seems not hilly enough, and four to boot, the material for the land in the bases is acceptable but grass in some places might have made more sense and more diversity. If the gameplay is fair for both teams, I can entirely live with this, and if assets to landscape or models are ever added, we can add them later and still enjoy having played the map all this time meanwhile.

[RoundShades]

This is what I have for a minimap. Testing this now. Will edit this with world properties for minimap when testing completes.

[EDIT] I cannot test it. My SDK is acting up. However, I have adjusted it to what ought to be the 39900 world size, and built it around a center point of x600 y-40 z0. You may need to increase or decrease world size to match the walls of the GDI structures, don't align it off tunnels because they may actually be rough estimates and should be tested after GDI structures line up perfectly. Let me know if it works, or it doesn't mount, or if it is off center, or if the tunnels are too inaccurate.

Use the link, not the inserted image, different "sizes" and the link is the proper TGA and size.

Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxV7tw ... sp=sharing

[TK0104]

Nice. Will try it out asap

[TK0104]

So today I have been working on some bugs and stuff I didn't like at all on the map:

Small Updates:

- We have now a working Minimap

- Edited the ceiling of the tunnels because they were too low

- Made a new overpass by myself with SketchUp With good collision (Kenz can't complain about that anymore )

- Optimized some materials because they were too big and you could see every detail on it

- Overpass has now multiple materials instead of 1 crappy material

- Updated Preview Image

Now only I have to wait for is the loading screen and then I'm going to contact patchers to put it in a future patch

[Ryz]

Let's plan a test session for this map first... Suggest a few moments, get on TS and look at it with people together?

[TK0104]

Let's plan a test session for this map first... Suggest a few moments, get on TS and look at it with people together?

If people are in to do a test session again...............It will help a lot

[RoundShades]

Small Updates:

- Made a new overpass by myself with SketchUp With good collision (Kenz can't complain about that anymore )

- Overpass has now multiple materials instead of 1 crappy material

Sounds awfully cosmetic. The minimap would probably still work, but jeez chief, I could have made the minimap based off the new cosmetics if I had known

Hell, if the minimap works and is to acceptable scale and precision, screw the cosmetics, it'll do the job for anyone needing navigation, so I am hella excited.

[Ruud033]

Could you please post the download link in the first post and keep that up to date? Also please upload City to the map repo for the auto-downloader to work

[TK0104]

Could you please post the download link in the first post and keep that up to date? Also please upload City to the map repo for the auto-downloader to work

I will do that when everything is done (almost done)

Small Updates:

- Made a new overpass by myself with SketchUp With good collision (Kenz can't complain about that anymore )

- Overpass has now multiple materials instead of 1 crappy material

Sounds awfully cosmetic. The minimap would probably still work, but jeez chief, I could have made the minimap based off the new cosmetics if I had known

Hell, if the minimap works and is to acceptable scale and precision, screw the cosmetics, it'll do the job for anyone needing navigation, so I am hella excited.

Trust me you don't see the difference

[Ryz]

Let's plan a test session for this map first... Suggest a few moments, get on TS and look at it with people together?

If people are in to do a test session again...............It will help a lot

Send me a PM with some (Dutch times) and I will see if I can make it, maybe some other people also...

[TK0104]

So today I found some problems and fixed them:

- Fixed a small hole at the overpass where you could see through and wasn't meant to be

- Edited a material at the overpass, it had the wrong physical material

Tomorrow I do some funky stuff with the tunnel ceiling because it noticed the ceiling is too low and the camera will go through the ceiling when in 3rd person view

[Ryz]

What time are you usually available Thommy? Than we can check the map with you...

[RoundShades]

Tomorrow I do some funky stuff with the tunnel ceiling because it noticed the ceiling is too low and the camera will go through the ceiling when in 3rd person view

Just stick a building-sized camera-blocking volume just inches below the roof of the ceiling of both buildings. That way, the camera doesn't clip through it. Bullets might still collide, but who is shooting at their own feet anyways? That happens on every map.

[Sn4ke]

Think this hasn't been posted yet:

You can get a Buggy / Humvee inside the Obelisk (other doors are fine though)

Soft borders are missing here (well at least there should be some here)

You can't access the entire area behind the concrete walls, but there's enough space to hide & repair your Orcas / Apaches.

And you can fly to the Refineries avoiding Ob / AGT triggering....

[TK0104]

@DarkSn4keWill check it out what's going on asap

 

I think it would be a good idea if I add a communication Center to the map if I can find a good spot to place it

Edited October 14, 2016 by ThommyK0104

[Sn4ke]

Hmmm, don't think that City needs a CommCentre.

The map is neither big nor really confusing. It's a symmetrical clearly arranged map.

And please fix the harvy Thommy

Edited October 14, 2016 by DarkSn4ke

[Madkill40]

City does not need a Silo or Comms, the map is too simple and basic for those structures.

[RoundShades]

It'd use 2 silos, one a piece at the respective tib-fields, before it'd use a com centre.

Also, it'd need a new minimap if you added any tech buildings. Sad trombone.

[Madkill40]

23 hours ago, YagiHige said:

It'd use 2 silos, one a piece at the respective tib-fields, before it'd use a com centre.

Also, it'd need a new minimap if you added any tech buildings. Sad trombone.

Then whoever dominates the field has the economic advantage?

[RoundShades]

6 hours ago, Madkill40 said:

Then whoever dominates the field has the economic advantage?

Wide field. Also, if you put the silos strategically where they can be accessed by that gap in the wall, then the team's tiberium field, becomes the enemy's easy infantry-path silo.

Not like silos do much more than keep power going through a ref loss. Lakeside hardly notices the silo loss for it's team.

[TK0104]

First screenshot with some changes:

- Added small Tiberium Field near Base Entrance which will be the primary harvesting field for the Harverster

- Gave the map some natural erosion

- Non-Accessable area fully blocked with wire

- Added Bushes

- Removed original Tiberium Field locations so infantry can run to the enemy harvy

- Reduced lighting in GDI base because it was too shiny

[RoundShades]

Can we play this map now, anyone?

Also, did you put some cover and debris and such, where the old Tiberium fields used to be? Wouldn't hurt to have just a few in the actual field, it'll be sniper-hell otherwise.

The Minimap is still mostly functional, for added effect use a green shader over the area the tib field is, with paintdotnet.

[TK0104]

1 hour ago, YagiHige said:

Can we play this map now, anyone?

Also, did you put some cover and debris and such, where the old Tiberium fields used to be? Wouldn't hurt to have just a few in the actual field, it'll be sniper-hell otherwise.

The Minimap is still mostly functional, for added effect use a green shader over the area the tib field is, with paintdotnet.

@YagiHigeThe map is no where near done yet. A lot has to happen like fixing the bug report of @DarkSn4ke

Good idea about cover. Will add that too.

Minimap isn't a problem. I can make a new one If I want

Edited November 3, 2016 by ThommyK0104

[RoundShades]

Alright, excellent! I've wanted to play CityFlying for... about a year and a half now. At this point, I'm tempted to gather everyone up to play old Ren one Sat/Sun, and just play 3-6 matches of CityFlying (maybe glacier).

[Sn4ke]

@ThommyK0104keep it up! but don't forget about fixing Horologe. But you could also blame me... I just posted the Horologe bugs on CT forums in my original bug report topic... I didnt find Horologe in WIP section... didnt think of Release section and so far I've been to lazy too re-post em.... 

Guess all old Renegade players long for a good remake of City in RenX - but I think you should focus on one project now. finish Horologe as its almost done, then concentrate on City... then... River / Headlands / I dont know ^^ you've started so many maps

[TK0104]

Can you put all bug reports on of Horologe on release topic, Headlands on WIP forum, same goes for City

I normally only look at the Renegade X forums and not the CT forums

[Sn4ke]

alright... I'm sorry ^-^

when I started to test maps in general I used to play on CT test server and so it seemed wise to start a topic there

and I didnt search all the RenX forums..

gimme some minutes

 

[TK0104]

Update + Changelist

So it's been a while for City but I did quite some changes to the map. Some are maybe for you not good, but I did it for a good reason. The new version will probably be uploaded this weekend. Could be today or tomorrow. I'm not sure for 100%

 

Changelist

- Removed Air Units because the Air Units can control the whole field because they can see Techs / Hotties and other infantry too easy. The other team doesn't stand a chance against it. This map is also not the best map to have Air Units. Walls is waaaaaay more open map to use Air Units

Ramps are still there

- Moved the Tiberium Fields closer to the bases to fix the Harverster Path and the harvy is extremely slow so it takes ages to get back to the refinery

- Added Rocks for cover. A new rock type we haven't seen before

- Gave the map natural erosion

- Fixed getting vehicles in the Obelisk

- Changed Vehicle Camo to Urban

- Increased Nod Character Brightness from 1.2 to 1.5 (They were too dark)

- Increased GDI/Nod Vehicle Brightness from 1 to 1.2 (They were too dark too)

- Map File Name Changed: CNC-City_Flying -----------> CNC-CityRedux

- Updated Minimap

 

Well these are the changes. Some people won't like it, but it is much better gameplay. I'm sure of it!

 

 

Edited November 26, 2016 by ThommyK0104

[Sn4ke]

looking forward to play the new version.

I'm absolutely fine with a non_flying city version

keep it up Thommy!

[TK0104]

Announcement!

I have decided to make a new CNC-City Flying which will be starting soon. Why am I making a new one? Well the old one SUCKS! Since I'm starting a Game Artist Education begin September I'll be able to model and texture some new assets for this map, which I'm looking forward to!

 

I can't say much what I'm going to do, but I'll promise it will be even better than the current one! Also I have another project going on which I'm still working on and that will be finished first of course.

 

So I have nothing more to share for now so click on another topic and read the latest posts I guess!

[RoundShades]

At least you give me hope bruh. More than Capcom or EA ever pretended to give someone. Best of luck, please let me play this fucking map in RenX eventually.

[Havoc89]

Hey TK,

Just as an FYI, you're more than welcome to create recreate City, however I would like to inform you that the official map is under development already. Whether you still choose to make your own variant is up to you.

[RoundShades]

@Havoc89 @TK0104 Here's an idea. If one of you already have a developed map, and TK has made a scaled version that has demo'd some map design flaws, then why not just continue official development but if there's anything TK/TheCommunity can do to speed it up then just ask.

For instance, I don't think the Ref being so far from the TibField is a bad thing, credits can be scaled with harvester dump and silos can be added if harvester dumps aren't increased. Both harvesters have always been super vulnerable to death in Old Ren City Flying.

I also don't think Fying needs removed, the game just needs proper debris cover within the field, from BOTH snipers AND airships. Something infantry can hide under, behind, and around, possibly enough for a threatening group of infantry (at least 4 gunners?) can get across a field unseen, in contrast to Eyes which is a good map but is too long a trek with too much visibility.

[TK0104]

1 hour ago, Havoc89 said:

Hey TK,

Just as an FYI, you're more than welcome to create recreate City, however I would like to inform you that the official map is under development already. Whether you still choose to make your own variant is up to you.

Oh shiet forgot about about that

Then it's quite useless to make City once again when the official is already in WIP

 

43 minutes ago, YagiHige said:

Here's an idea. If one of you already have a developed map, and TK has made a scaled version that has demo'd some map design flaws, then why not just continue official development but if there's anything TK/TheCommunity can do to speed it up then just ask.

For instance, I don't think the Ref being so far from the TibField is a bad thing, credits can be scaled with harvester dump and silos can be added if harvester dumps aren't increased. Both harvesters have always been super vulnerable to death in Old Ren City Flying.

I also don't think Fying needs removed, the game just needs proper debris cover within the field, from BOTH snipers AND airships. Something infantry can hide under, behind, and around, possibly enough for a threatening group of infantry (at least 4 gunners?) can get across a field unseen, in contrast to Eyes which is a good map but is too long a trek with too much visibility.

My ideas were a bit crappy done and 'my assets' are basicly from CSG or straight from the original game and it looks horrible. I think I let this map rest and let @Havoc89finish the job

Edited July 2, 2017 by TK0104

[Schmitzenbergh]

On ‎1‎-‎7‎-‎2017 at 5:11 PM, TK0104 said:

I have decided to make a new CNC-City Flying which will be starting soon. Why am I making a new one? Well the old one SUCKS! Since I'm starting a Game Artist Education begin September I'll be able to model and texture some new assets for this map, which I'm looking forward to!

Thommy, for the love of skateboarding Jesus and his pal Krishna the scubadiver. Please finalize one of your other maps before starting another. You have ten or so maps that are either:

• Not done in a mile;
• Close to done but needs polish;
• Potential maps that are now in a stasis chamber because you left them;
• Good.

You now have the CNC-dunes map that you are making a "lets build" of (Which looks awesome), CNC-meteor that isn't done by a mile but has potential, CNC-uphill that is close to done but needs that bit of love that makes it done and CNC-River which is not done by a mile. 

And now you are re-opening City again. How do you even handle it?! You're like a clown juggling with Scorpions that are on fire now. 

That map CNC-Dunes or Outposts or whatever it is called. Please focus all your love on that, Make new assets for it if you really want to for your study. Anything but please commit to put out at least one nice and polished map. If you put some time and love in the final stages, you are getting a great map. I mean, Tomb is a great example of a good map.

Yes the final stages of a map are tedious. I also like to see maps come to life in big steps, but the smaller details are what make a map. I mean, look how long it took to make CNC-Arctic or even CNC-Storm. I'm not working on it that much, but I really want to make that map great (again). I have plenty of idea's for new maps. I even have one in my mind in which I want to ask you to do a part, but not before CNC-Storm is V1.0 done.

Do as you please of course. But keep in mind: "Beter een vogel in de hand dan tien in de lucht" AKA It would be better to have one decent map, than 10 unfinished ones. 

 

PS: Skateboarding Jesus agrees with me.

[TK0104]

@Schmitzenbergh I'll keep working on Outposts since I ain't working on City. 

About River and Xmeteor: I will never work on those again. I said it before that I never ever work on it further.

No one is reporting bugs on other maps so there is nothing much to work on that.

 

So in other words screw city, my map first!

 

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