omega79 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Are there all? I have seen so far: Walls Hourglass Islands Field Mesa I heared that Under will come later on ... and complex or canyon (forget which) So will there be: Complex? Canyon? City? Volcano? Complex was always fun, no BD ... so SBH always was dangerous ... GDI bombarding with its firepower while nod sneaked in ... the absolute classic C&C_mode Canyon, never was a map i liked a lot ... but seeing what you have accomplished ... could be good ... at the end i would say it would not be missed that much City, that was a fun map I think ... with the bridge, the stank-hole under the bridge behind the warfac/hand ... the straight sight for snipers ... City also could look very very awesome if it would be reimagined through you, even tho I would not change it too much (Ofcourse I talk about Flying) Volcano, was an ok-ish map ...the cave was kinda cool eyrcatcher (Imagine with the UDK) ... like Complex very classic C&C_mode ... I would love to see it again, mainly because of its high eyecandy potential if it is in your hands (Magama, Cave, a Canyon) Sorry if that was already somewhere, my search did not bring up a matching result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 All will be done in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 All will be done in the end. Bless this oh heavens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehh Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 any plans of doing any of the popular fan maps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 As of "right now", from what "I know", no. Only the original Ren map then "ours". Forgive me, I get Complex and Canyon confused sometimes, I think the starts of Complex are there. I know City has been attempted, but nothing has been solidified yet. I loved Volcano (and city), I keep trying to get the mappers on that one (those two). I see many possibility with pretty visually with "going through a volcano". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega79 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 nice to hear that and nice to know i am not the only one who always confuses complex and canyon ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valor Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 any plans of doing any of the popular fan maps? That would depend on whether the creator allows it. Glacier won't be making it in for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehh Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 oh i meant good fan maps sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 any plans of doing any of the popular fan maps? That would depend on whether the creator allows it. Glacier won't be making it in for this reason. Not that we were interested in remaking that one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedhart Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 any plans of doing any of the popular fan maps? That would depend on whether the creator allows it. Glacier won't be making it in for this reason. Not that we were interested in remaking that one anyway. I feel another verbal joust brewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban4life Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 (...)I feel another verbal joust brewing. Lete sum it up for everyone to save time. "I want Glacier!" "No we won't. It bad" "But....but.....original lay-out! Weird bridges! Tons of entrances!" "No. It bad. Besides, no authorisation from maker" "But(...)" ETC. Back on real topic. I thought most would be left in Renegade except city if you could find someone to create and actually finish it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 "In the end" could mean 500 years from now, and so no one would ever question it anyway. It's not implying much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaGrin Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yea, sorry. I am trying to stay out of a trap by saying we will have it by "X". I just know we want at least the originals from Ren and then whatever mappers want. So one of the goals, before we stop working on RenX, would be to have all of the original maps. Personally, I do not see anything standing in the way of getting all the remakes in, other than time. Also one of the goals before the end is to have modding tools for RenX. With those, any maps that modders/community feels were "left out" or should be in, they could pick up from where we left off and add them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yea, sorry. I am trying to stay out of a trap by saying we will have it by "X". I just know we want at least the originals from Ren and then whatever mappers want.So one of the goals, before we stop working on RenX, would be to have all of the original maps. Personally, I do not see anything standing in the way of getting all the remakes in, other than time. Also one of the goals before the end is to have modding tools for RenX. With those, any maps that modders/community feels were "left out" or should be in, they could pick up from where we left off and add them. Sounds like glacier will be made in the distant future then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD_ERROR_XD Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Only thing i'm concerned about is the amount of walking paths in RenX's maps. I've seen an AGT Vs Ob in Field once... Absolutely no idea how that happened... If you can't sneak in, both teams are hopeless in such stalemate situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Only thing i'm concerned about is the amount of walking paths in RenX's maps. I've seen an AGT Vs Ob in Field once... Absolutely no idea how that happened... If you can't sneak in, both teams are hopeless in such stalemate situations. Have 4 guys from front and tunnels all run out at once in different directions. Works best for GDI. Have the guys from the front path run first, they are guranteed to die but will turn the attention from the AGT the best. Generally, those will end up being infantry only matches until time out, or in marathon cases the perfect canidate for sudden death and vote-mapend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That is why there is a time limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD_ERROR_XD Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I've never liked a time limit in Renegade. I loved how some matches of under took over a quarter day to finish and how half of them would rage about how stupid marathon is instead of joining a diffrent server. It really seperated the men from the boys, to say it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I never liked marathon games. He thrill of having to fight aginst time for the winning points is beaten by nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I never liked score win. Sounds like farming. Killing is always better than farming, and S&D is always better than TDM. That is my philosophy. Then again, when enough people feel the same, they band together and make their own servers and use !qban on anyone that comes in complaining its not the normal. Thank god for those people who form the marathon server community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehh Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 are you comparing s&d and tm to timed games and mara? =//// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valor Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I like Marathon too but without vehicle shells (no more massing 20 tanks) or endgame beacon, I feel in general marathon games will last a lot longer. But as long as the server is stable for extended periods of time, Marathon should still be enjoyable. Plus, new players are more likely to play timed matches as they would want to experience all the maps quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 are you comparing s&d and tm to timed games and mara?=//// I did, and then followed through with my premiss. Did you just dismiss my comparison solely on the grounds that it referenced Call of Duty? Not my favorite game ever, but it had a place once upon a time back in CoD1 and CoD4. If you remembered the stick of fuse-tnt and the artillery cannon you had to place it on, you would know what I mean. Anyway, again, the premiss is one targets "kill and destruction" as the main thing to do, while the other encourages territory to appeal to a score system. I dislike farming, I like a game with an absolute winner, not the guy who scored more, but the guy responsible for base-destruction. It is base destruction no matter how long it takes when it comes to marathon, and that is what I prefer to back. There are enough numbers willing to support that. We are unified in support, and outsiders cannot stop it and their opinion unnecessary to keep marathon open. Marathon will remain self sufficient and sovereign, and equal citizen in this game. I understand there are reasons for time limits, I hope you understand there are reasons for seeking a win by decisive events. Hey, it is better to compare it to chess. There are speed chess tournaments, because someone given enough time to think of every move will easily do better and someone able to think of good moves in less time is someone more sharpened competitively, and then there are standard chess tournaments, because sometimes people find interest in no other outcome except a defeat achieved by complete annihilation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehh Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 you compared two different game modes. timed and mara is basically the same game mode, a better comparison would be s&d with a time limit and one without one. most people who play renegade would rather play a rotation of maps instead of been stuck in an under game for 6 hours where you can't even leave your own base, specially people who can only play for a few hours at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Welcome to "Renegade Marathon," the gamemode where everyone fucks around and the points don't matter. That's right, the points don't matter, just like the plot line of a porno film. Drew Carey was on to something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD_ERROR_XD Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Welcome to "Renegade Marathon," the gamemode where everyone fucks around and the points don't matter. That's right, the points don't matter, just like the plot line of a porno film.Drew Carey was on to something I have no idea if you're joking or not (i really don't, no sarcasm intended), but i always find it funny when someone says points don't matter in marathon. If you even slightly think about it, you know points = credits, and if you're playing a marathon game where both teams have no ref and/or pp, guess which team has a higher chance of winning... More examples can be given but i think you get my point on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havoc9826 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Welcome to "Renegade Marathon," the gamemode where everyone fucks around and the points don't matter. That's right, the points don't matter, just like the plot line of a porno film.Drew Carey was on to something I have no idea if you're joking or not (i really don't, no sarcasm intended), but i always find it funny when someone says points don't matter in marathon. If you even slightly think about it, you know points = credits, and if you're playing a marathon game where both teams have no ref and/or pp, guess which team has a higher chance of winning... More examples can be given but i think you get my point on this one. gaFQyJySGJ4 On topic, credits earned by points didn't help in marathon unless donation was enabled in the server, or if one player was able to buy vehicles for the rest of the team, since being only able to buy one advanced infantry or one beacon at a time usually wouldn't be a gamebreaker unless there was REALLY good team coordination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R315r4z0r Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If I had the time, I loved playing marathon games. I remember playing an 8 hour match on Field. That was one of the most fun games I ever played in Renegade. I mean, timed matches were good in their own rights. But you just can't compare the amount of teamwork and strategy that come out of the desperation of wanting to end a match that's going on for 4+ hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valor Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If I had to leave before a marathon game was finished, I'd come back the next day and ask, "Who won ?" and people would immediately know what I was talking about. Good times, though it always sucked to hear it ended by server crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 From my small experience in marathon a lot of maps also ended by one side getting bored. The reason a rush succeeded was not always because of great teamwork from one side but also from a lack of concentration due to boredom on the other side. But as I said my experience was limited as I clearly usually played games with a time limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It takes a certain player to play marathon. I just think those wanting to play should be able. I mean, this game is based on getting to play what you want. Why not play battlefield? Because you hate battlefield and love this? Then enjoy your right to play this, while I enjoy my right to marathon. when I bring my clan into this game, I'll do aow. If they like the game and start to want conclusive games, I'll share Mara with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Where did I say there should be no marathon mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 marathon is for the casual player. Aow is for the competitive player. Either player can decide to play in both, but the competitive player will find more competition in the aow server, and the marathon player will find more casual playing there. Don't argue that unless you've been both types of players, please, because I know it to be true through my 12 years of renegade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I played 8, in all modes, aow, Mara, ctf, crazy ctf, inf only, 500sniper only, coop... I think both are competitive differently. Mara offers more comeback and demands completing the goal at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Winning is the goal... By competitive I mean like...real competition. Like when private/clanwars players play, they will almost always choose aow over marathon. Having those players in game means more competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundShades Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah I always noticed and was bothered with that. I see ren balance around points but base killing power now balanced... well I never agreed with others on that. If someone wins on points in a short time it usually feels like cheese struggle. I'd prefer hour or two for maps like field, and maybe 35 for volcano and complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryman90 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I really hated aow, to me it just felt like an arty/vehicle whore the whole game to reach the most points. Marathon felt like it had much more strategies. Trying to mass med tanks for a double rush or apc/sbh/nuke rush. Great fun, always played on the modded servers of Black-Cell.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Massing is totally unrelated to the game mode. It is related to the amount of players and those buggy wrecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD_ERROR_XD Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Massing is totally unrelated to the game mode. It is related to the amount of players and those buggy wrecks. well, not entirely. taking into account you need a lot of cash to mass a decent amount of tanks, the match must have been going on for at leat 30 minutes. and the bigger the room, the more vehicles you will need to successfully rush, which means more money is needed. only in small matches, AOW and Marathon could be considered the same when it comes to massing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goztow Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If rhe vehicle limit is 20 and everyone takes a tank and hides it behind a building then u can have a mass rush within a limited amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The fact that abusing the shell as not counting in the vehicle limit is needed in order to win the game sometimes says enough..... I remember when I went a whole month of trying hard to win in marathon. I had a 90% winning rate by myself. Meaning I was never on ts and never had anyone join to help me out. Just me by myself impacting the game had me win 90% of the games I played. I kept track through the online Ren ladder and it was something like 73/81 when you added all 5 of my nicknames together. I mean...clearly the competition isn't too high since my win % in a competitive aow server was usually ~65 lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehh Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 not this again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 not this again Bring liquid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD_ERROR_XD Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hate, so far you've told us that you only play competitive in AOW. I can see why, but can you clarify this for me? Do you just don't care about competitive Marathon matches, or aren't there any, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 There are some, but the more competitive players play in aow servers. The extra element of time means that for one, you'll likely get more games in. For two, you can't just let a team sit in the field and pointwhore buildings while you go and try to stealth rush their base. You actually have to stop them from doing this most of the time, because points actually matter. Marathon is all or nothing in that you either kill a building oe not, and that is what your rushes are based of off from a success or failure standpoint. In aow, you're rewarded for even hitting the buildings either way, and so the enemy team cannot camp, but has to actually try to push out. That extra element makes it more competitive to players who prefer the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R315r4z0r Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I wouldn't say that marathon is casual. It's less urgent of a game type compared to aow, but definitely not casual. A casual game, by definition, is a game you can pick up and put down at any time without any impact on progress or overall standing. Angry Birds, for example, is a casual game. You can just stop playing it midway through and nothing of any value would happen either way. But in marathon, if you stop playing then your team could lose a building that you may have been able to protect. Or someone else could have been able to protect if you weren't hogging the player spot in the server. In the overall standing of Renegade in general, however, it's probably one of the more casual FPS games out there. There is no progression outside of leaderboards. So if you don't care about things like that then it makes no difference if you win a match, lose a match or quit a match. You can join when you want, do what you want and leave when you want without any overall lasting implications to your player's progression (since player progression is handled on a round to round basis.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I afk repair all the time in marathon and still end up winning the game lol Casual literally just means relaxed and unconcerned by the way. I didn't say it was a casual game - I said marathon is for the casual player, relative to the comparison I was making to aow players who are more competitive players, on average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyConscript Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Complex and Under are in the works. Complex is roughly 75% done. Under has a long way to go still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valor Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Complex and Under are in the works.Complex is roughly 75% done. Under has a long way to go still. Thanks for the update. Hopefully the release will get more people interested in helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terekhov Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Actually you can walk from tunn to AGT in Field, I've watched this happen multiple times already. Can't wait for Under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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