Terekhov Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Having flown both the apache and the orca, and driven the stealth tank...I'm really not seeing the balance with these three. When I drive the apache/stank, I feel sorry for other vehicles because the matchups vs anything out there (except maybe a pic) is just not fair. The ORCA makes me want to punch a wall. Here's my summary after playing 6-7 hours today, what are y'alls opinions? Am I bad and should feel bad or have you had similar experiences? Apache: - Better gun than orca - 3x the missiles of the orca (huge advantage even with less damage, as you have a lot better chance of hitting them. Perhaps you could make a risk vs reward argument if the orca had 3-4, but as is, the ORCA sucks.) Stealth Tank - Does amazing amounts of damage with tomahawk-range missiles + good tracking for air units. The ORCA is effectively zoned out of whatever area a decent stealth tank is currently inhabiting. The Apache/MRLS and Apache/Mammoth relationships are nowhere near this unbalanced. Quote
Daedhart Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I dont like the stank because it has waaay to long of a range. Kinda defeats the purpose of being stealthed. The flyers are worthless IMO. You have to pretty much snuggle your enemy to be in range. Quote
Evono Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 The flying units got the same or even higher range as in Renegade original it feels Quote
isomorph Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Whats up with the weapons ranges? The Orca's rockets simply poof off after a few meters... I would like greater (or unlimited) weapon range and especially the orca (air units) have to get at least a doubled range. Rockets that that explode after 10 meters are not cool, when having only 300HP. By the way, the game looks f***** awesome! I played an early alpha and this is much better! Gameplay seems perfect on the first sight too! One question: Can you still overrun enemies resulting in a one hit kill? Quote
Evono Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 One question: Can you still overrun enemies resulting in a one hit kill? yes you can Quote
Terekhov Posted February 26, 2014 Author Posted February 26, 2014 I dont like the stank because it has waaay to long of a range. Kinda defeats the purpose of being stealthed.Agreed. They should have less range than the med, considering they're only 100 more and have stealth + very high DPS.The flyers are worthless IMO. You have to pretty much snuggle your enemy to be in range. Whats up with the weapons ranges? The Orca's rockets simply poof off after a few meters... Agreed. These three fixes would do wonders: Increase ORCA payload to 3 or 4 missiles (with that shitty gun, their missiles SHOULD be better than apache missiles) Increase apache and orca range by 5-8m Decrease stank range by 10-13m Quote
SFJake Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I hate how the flying units moves, as well. You'd think the air vehicles would have mobility, of all things, but they don't. They turn like slugs and go up and down at ridiculously bad speed, which doesn't help their terrible hit & run capabilities. This REALLY needs a change, in my opinion. The Orca was also disapointing. I heard they wanted to make the Orca more about its rockets, and the Apache more about its gun. Strange how that is not at all how it seems. Quote
Terekhov Posted February 26, 2014 Author Posted February 26, 2014 The apache is about...everything, it's just kickass haha. I think both could use a bit more speed in all directions, but the maneuverability seems close to dialed in imo, it makes you fly them smart. A bit more up & down, and a bit more rotating speed would solve it. Quote
TotemAatz Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Well tbh i tried the air units once and never again, they turn and handle really really bad and take no damage at all while behind horrible at dealing damage. Stank however is more equal to Mammoth if anything.. Quote
Noodlesocks Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) I hate how the guns never go where you're aiming unless you're almost completely stationary. They're range is a bit naff too. They weren't so bad in previous version where there were only 7 v 7 but with 64 players, it's nigh impossible to get close enough to anything to do anything to anything. Edited February 26, 2014 by Guest Quote
Terekhov Posted February 26, 2014 Author Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) The air units definitely require a different style than in C&C Ren, it's much more opportunistic than before - to be honest I'm really enjoying that aspect of it. They can have a huge influence in swinging a fight, but in the end they're a DPS-support, not something that can carry the team, which is what I believe they were intended for. A well driven stank crushes a mammoth atm, as long as it has obstacles around which it can duck and weave. I hate how the guns never go where you're aiming unless you're almost completely stationary.Try using the 'F' key to get the machine-gun view. It's amazing. Edited February 26, 2014 by Guest Quote
R315r4z0r Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I find the Orca to be much more maneuverable than the Apache. But I think the Apache is the stronger attack chopper. The machine gun alone is enough to outclass the Orca. Also, most people don't realize there is a vehicle boost, similar to infantry sprint. Aircraft move much faster when boosting. Quote
Daedhart Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Huh, no I didnt know there was a boost. I think another issue with the flyers is that they are the worst affected by the vehicle bugging out in large server, they end up moving slower than a freakin mammoth. Quote
Noodlesocks Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 The air units definitely require a different style than in C&C Ren, it's much more opportunistic than before - to be honest I'm really enjoying that aspect of it. They can have a huge influence in swinging a fight, but in the end they're a DPS-support, not something that can carry the team, which is what I believe they were intended for. A well driven stank crushes a mammoth atm, as long as it has obstacles around which it can duck and weave. I hate how the guns never go where you're aiming unless you're almost completely stationary.Try using the 'F' key to get the machine-gun view. It's amazing. ... I know. Quote
Terekhov Posted February 27, 2014 Author Posted February 27, 2014 Then I don't know what to tell you, use the angles? Or are you talking about the bullet spread? Quote
Daedhart Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 I find the Orca to be much more maneuverable than the Apache. But I think the Apache is the stronger attack chopper. The machine gun alone is enough to outclass the Orca. Also, most people don't realize there is a vehicle boost, similar to infantry sprint. Aircraft move much faster when boosting. I tried all night to do a vehicle boost in both grounds and flyers, to no avail. Am I missing something? Quote
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