drastic Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 This could just be a personal playing preference but I cannot play Renegade when my characters gun is in the rest position and not pointing forward. Although it makes no difference to how a gun fires, I just feel as if my character is not ready. I have watched videos and the rest position occurs much more frequently in Ren X. Does anyone else understand my thoughts on this? Quote
goztow Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Yes I do. I kind of agree but I think you need to play it first to gt the feel. You will sprint as well and the weapon is always in the rest position then. Quote
drastic Posted February 23, 2014 Author Posted February 23, 2014 No game animation is perfect... I don't know what the point of this post is. Quote
Daedhart Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 ...but I cannot play Renegade when my characters gun is in the rest position and not pointing forward. To point out how silly of a comment this was. Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Why is it a silly comment? It's a valid point that is also shared by other players. Quote
Volcom Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 I noticed it, but it's not a huge deal. Something I got used to. Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Oookaayyy... I'm guessing you don't understand the problem. Do you still play Renegade? Were you ever a good player? This is not a personal dig at all because I notice that all the good players I have come across ensure their characters are in the correct stance before engaging in combat. Quote
Ban4life Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 As far I know there are only 2 reasons for this. One is that the dot behaves a bit differently while in rest stand. The other is that the first bullet has a slight deviation in comparison with others, but wil still strike where you aimed. It's something I would not worry about. I'm good enough to not feel the effects of rest stand and it should not be a problem for most players. Quote
NodCommander Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Oookaayyy... I did indeed play Renegade in the past, not for a good few years now though. A cosmetic difference does not matter at all as far as I am aware. The only difference would be where the 'dot' in old-Renegad were located, which did not change at all in first person. Quote
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 It also made the gun easier to hit, which widened the effective area someone could hit you, as well as stuck your gun through a wall. I would manually reload all the time in renegade just so I didn't have my gun sit in that position. Quote
Demigan Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 If in the UDK you can also hit a character ANYWHERE including their gun. And If in the UDK the direction of your bullets is calculated from the tip of your gun like in renegade (which in rest position was at the left of your character) Then you have a valid point. But I doubt this is the case. Also, this would only prove effective if you are actively using the 3rd person and free-aim advantage, otherwise it doesn't matter: a hit is a hit with snipers if you aim directly at them. Only when you go in 3rd person or free-aim does the added 'shadow' in which you can hit them change due to the stance. Quote
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Renegade had a fraction of a second delay before the gun would get into the ready position from the relaxed position. Which is why it seemed to aim weird...it was a tad bit delayed (the reticle would also move after being put in the ready position as well). I don't believe this is the case in renegade x though. It doesn't seem like it at least. Quote
Valor Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Renegade had a fraction of a second delay before the gun would get into the ready position from the relaxed position. Which is why it seemed to aim weird...it was a tad bit delayed (the reticle would also move after being put in the ready position as well). I don't believe this is the case in renegade x though. It doesn't seem like it at least. From my understanding the topic creator thinks that this happens in Ren X but not in Ren. Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Renegade had a fraction of a second delay before the gun would get into the ready position from the relaxed position. Which is why it seemed to aim weird...it was a tad bit delayed (the reticle would also move after being put in the ready position as well). I don't believe this is the case in renegade x though. It doesn't seem like it at least. From my understanding the topic creator thinks that this happens in Ren X but not in Ren. Nope, shooting from the rest position has always felt unnatural but I have not been able to pinpoint the exact reason for this. What HaTe says sounds plausible to being one of the reasons but I also believe running around with your gun pointing in a completely different direction doesn't fill a player with confidence. Quote
SeriousSmiley Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 It also made the gun easier to hit, which widened the effective area someone could hit you, as well as stuck your gun through a wall. I would manually reload all the time in renegade just so I didn't have my gun sit in that position. protip: jump and scope mid-air...quicker and doesn't make any noise Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 It also made the gun easier to hit, which widened the effective area someone could hit you, as well as stuck your gun through a wall. I would manually reload all the time in renegade just so I didn't have my gun sit in that position. protip: jump and scope mid-air...quicker and doesn't make any noise pr0tip: just tap your crouch key Quote
HaTe Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah I would crouch sometimes too like if I was an sbh. You can't scope in mid air with the recent scripts builds AFAIK. You could do it with RR, which is what I always did (people always asked me about it in my videos), but not anymore. Quote
RoundShades Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah I would crouch sometimes too like if I was an sbh. You can't scope in mid air with the recent scripts builds AFAIK. You could do it with RR, which is what I always did (people always asked me about it in my videos), but not anymore. I'm with him. I just like unnecesary reloads. Also so it readies the gun, but I do it in CoD too, just because I like throwing away hypothetical ammo. Quote
SeriousSmiley Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 It also made the gun easier to hit, which widened the effective area someone could hit you, as well as stuck your gun through a wall. I would manually reload all the time in renegade just so I didn't have my gun sit in that position. protip: jump and scope mid-air...quicker and doesn't make any noise pr0tip: just tap your crouch key lol if you ever even contemplated losing valuable milliseconds on the clock by crouching during a race to the campsite...total scrub detected Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Your "valuable milliseconds" are stuck in a predictable jump animation. Nice try. Quote
Daedhart Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Why is it a silly comment? It's a valid point that is also shared by other players. Its a silly comment because youre making this sound like a game breaking issue. It isnt, no matter how hardcore you think you are. Quote
drastic Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Why is it a silly comment? It's a valid point that is also shared by other players. Its a silly comment because youre making this sound like a game breaking issue. That's a silly assumption. Quote
Daedhart Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Why? Because I misinterpreted the original quote where you said you couldnt play it with this issue, or that it is that big of an issue for you? <- serious question, I cant tell by your post. Quote
drastic Posted February 25, 2014 Author Posted February 25, 2014 I think you misinterpreted my original post. I don't see the issue as a game breaker but its certainly an issue to look at if other players are sharing their techniques to combat it. Quote
R315r4z0r Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah I would crouch sometimes too like if I was an sbh. You can't scope in mid air with the recent scripts builds AFAIK. You could do it with RR, which is what I always did (people always asked me about it in my videos), but not anymore. I'm with him. I just like unnecesary reloads. Also so it readies the gun, but I do it in CoD too, just because I like throwing away hypothetical ammo. That just gave me an idea. Instead of reloading your weapon when it's full, if you try to reload, your character could play an "ammo check" animation by removing the magazine and checking if there are rounds in it, then putting the magazine back. It would take the same amount of time as a reload. It would look cool, and it would give an aesthetic value to unnecessary reloading. Quote
SFJake Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Thats a lot of animation work for a purely aesthetic and unnecessary function though. Quote
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