SFJake Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 I thought I'd like Whiteout, its a good change from Hourglass, though I totally miss the tunnels. But the only problem I really ever noticed is that it just -still- becomes a hill stalemate. The defenses in this cases seem to be a big problem. They are INCREDIBLY strong, and thats fine, really. But I can spend essentially the ENTIRE game blowing them up -> they just keep coming back, and WAY too fast at that. Its funny that the map has air units yet they are expected to be locked down by those things the entire game. (and frankly I have no idea how to play them in this map) I'm not sure how I'd suggest any fix for the maps, but I don't really see the logic in having those defenses respawn so quickly (as well as being possible for them to be manned by the enemy but thats another thing). Anyone else thinks this is a problem? Quote
Noodlesocks Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 How fast do they respawn? I've never really bothered to notice. Certainly haven't felt like the map stalemates very often. Quote
TotemAatz Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Well in that map i think air is more for clearing mid and a strike force drop into the enemy base and that's about it. Quote
omega79 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 honestly, i liked hourglass better ... hourglass always did separate the wheat from the chaff horrible with a bunch of naps but great with a good team Quote
SFJake Posted February 28, 2014 Author Posted February 28, 2014 I tested the time since I wasn't sure. Its a bit under a minute for them to respawn. (also noticed I couldn't get into the Nod defense as GDI, I swore I saw people do it in streams and people in game that claimed they did it) Quote
Letty Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 I think it would be interesting if their respawn was based on something other than a timer. How about they respawn when the Harvester returns with tiberium? Pretend that the base itself is spending the resources to rebuild. Perhaps prevent it from being respawned within 30s of death to prevent situations where it respawns a few seconds after being destroyed due to a poorly-timed harvester dropoff. Quote
Noodlesocks Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 I tested the time since I wasn't sure. Its a bit under a minute for them to respawn.(also noticed I couldn't get into the Nod defense as GDI, I swore I saw people do it in streams and people in game that claimed they did it) You were able to do it in earlier builds of the closed beta but they changed it because it was unbalanced and could be exploited by attackers to skip over the barriers. Quote
Noodlesocks Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Having played marathon games on whiteout, I have to agree. I can accept that they are more powerful than even the AGT/Obelisk but with so much health and quick respawn, they're just a bit too good. Either a damage nerf, health nerf or respawn nerf is in order. Quote
OfficerMeatbeef Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Agreed. They're very, very effective, which is good; they're static defenses that people need to be manning, so they need to do a ton of damage to be viable. But they respawn so quickly that the significant effort one needs to employ to take them out (with their fantastic range and damage output) feels virtually wasted since they will pop right back up at no cost. Quote
XD_ERROR_XD Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Make it so once their health goes to 0 they become neutral and unoccupy-able (how do you say that in proper english...) until they are fully repaired by their respective team. Quote
OfficerMeatbeef Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Make it so once their health goes to 0 they become neutral and unoccupy-able (how do you say that in proper english...) until they are fully repaired by their respective team. A solid solution, however if they can be repaired at the same rate or even faster than they respawn, not sure if this really solves the problem since the repairperson(s) can just be crouched behind the wall repairing, more or less safe from any danger bar an airstrike. Quote
Noodlesocks Posted March 9, 2014 Posted March 9, 2014 Make it so once their health goes to 0 they become neutral and unoccupy-able (how do you say that in proper english...) until they are fully repaired by their respective team. They can be repaired faster than they can already respawn =P Quote
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