iran Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Mobius and Sheppard look mid- to late 40 in TD tbh. Makes them having a son / daughter at age 20-30 which is not very uncommon for a lot of people.You said it yourself, most of the tech resembles TD. then dr. Mobius has SINCE(!) spent his life studying the material, so from its appearance to date. I dunno what you're on about iran but you're half arguing against your own position on the matter. "into the 21st century" is simply post-1999, which doesn't detract anything from the '99-2002 timeframe. Huh? I said most of the game technology and units resemble TS and specifically states that before development of the game was re-started the developers wanted to make it a game where you play the Commando from C&C95, hence why all the beta models are re-made TD vehicles and buildings while the final Renegade vehicles and buildings resemble TS. I'm not sure exactly why you think I'm contradicting myself here. Before the game development was reboot there was no mention of Mobious, advanced Tiberium based mutation and advanced cybernetics (which would be impossible in 2020). If the technology was in common use in 2002 that would mean it would have been quite a lot more advanced in TS, as the gap between 1995 and 2002 is only 7 years and the gap between 2002 and 2030 is 28 years. It's of course quite comically absurd to say someone around the age of 35-40 has spent his life studying the effects of Tiberium when he has only done so for 7 years according to the absurd theory the game takes place in 2002. Letty: According to TS no one understood the effects Tiberium would have on the human planet and it's extraordinary growth so it's absurd to think Mobious would be so worried about it in 2002. And it's of course wild speculation. Notice also how Mobious literally sounds like an old man in C&C Renegade, that can't be the result of someone's hair turning white. ANOTHER big issue is how the final Nod Temple is located in Cairo, and not in Sarejevo as it was during the end of the First Tiberium War. The temple is sprinkled with artifacts from the First Tiberium War: http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Temple_of_Nod_(Renegade) Not only doesn't it make any sense for you to attack a different Temple of Nod rebuilt over an older Temple of Nod from the First Tiberium War, located in Cairo and NOT Sarejevo which the original Temple was.. It also doesn't make sense why Kane has to use his elite Black Hand force to send out messages and doesn't just reveal himself to Nod as being alive (aside from the Kane lives in death cult). He also looks a lot older than in C&C95 and uses advanced holograms to communicate, while he could just do actual video chat, implying he's hiding the severe body scarring he's suffering from, like in TS. Some other units also resemble their TS counterpart more than the TD one, like the Stealth Black Hand (Nod Chameleon in TS, no TD counter-part) and Buggy. And of course the beta Buggy looks like the TD one. Weapons used by GDI and Nod infantry include advanced Tiberium based weaponry, ion cannons, volt auto rifles, rail guns, portable laser weapons, easy to plant proximity mines, mobile repair guns, etc. The basic infantry rifle and grenadier also starts resembling the TS counter-parts. During the beta the grenadier threw his grenades and even in the final game it's possible to mod in hand thrown grenades, as the APB mod does. It would take a lot of artistic license to place the technology during the first Tiberium War which was ended in the late 90's, not 2002. The reason why GDI is using tanks from the First Tiberium War is simply because GDI only started using mechs after much of the world's terrain became inhabitable and mutated. One big story plot for GDI in TS is stopping the out of control Tiberium mutation of the earth and spread over the planet. If Renegade were to be set in 2002 there would be a 28 year gap between TS and Renegade which would make out of control Tiberium growth be less out of control, however if it were set in 2020 there would really have been some out of control mutation within a decade. Quite to the contrary, the argument that the world isn't mutated enough if the game were set in 2020 doesn't really hold up that well and the game being set 2020 supports the out of control Tiberium growth storyline of TS. In C&C3 much of the Tiberium growth is controlled in blue zones and the rest of the earth is inhabitable basically. I could just go on and on about how ridiculously absurd it for the game to be set in 2002, but the game manual already mentions twice that it is set in 2020 and there is absolutely no reason to doubt it. Old man Mobious with a grown daughter, Mark Sheppard's 30 year or so old son Logan Sheppard giving you basic training, etc. in C&C1 cutscenes Mobious: Consider, we first learn of the good doctor in the introduction FMV for Tiberian Dawn where he is introduced as a proponent of Tiberium: "Moebius is expected to refute charges from the scientific community that Tiberium might be dangerous", in another FMV, the "Science Talk" snippet, he claims that Tiberium has limitless potential. Compare with Renegade’s Mobius, looking worse for wear, who now views Tiberium with apprehension, and despises Nod’s experiments involving human test subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaTe Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Möbius entered college at the age of 11. I'm pretty sure his research on tiberium in 7 years would be plenty thorough... He learned how dangerous it was and thus began to age rapidly from the stress of knowing his research was in Nod's hands and they were using it as a weapon. Even his own daughter joined GDI and weaponized the tiberium...that's the reason why he appeared to age so quickly (and its not like he turned into such an old man like you seem to think - he was still quite nimble). The fact that the last mission in renegade was highly inspired by TD proves enough, really. I fail to see how you are attempting to use that as an argument for the support of the TS timeline in any way. Nod had finally gained control of all of Africa, with the sole exception of South Africa (and Lesotho). Seth had an idea, not only would Nod forces expel all GDI forces in South Africa but they would also build in South Africa a new African Temple of Nod complete with nuclear weaponry like it's European equivilant. With nowhere left to retreat to within Africa GDI the remaining GDI forces were wiped out to a man in this final battle for control of Africa and South Africa, once a key center of GDI power in Africa finally became the seat of Nod's new African temple. The first tiberium war ended in 2002. Why would you say otherwise? Every timeline and all evidence I have seen supports that the ending of the war was in 2002 (including the site in which you cited as reference: http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/First_Tiberium_War - in fact, it didn't start until 1999). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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